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darkstar CATVR Junkie

Joined: 2008-12-30 Posts: 2200 Location: Chattavegas
 | Subject: back fire problems KQ 450 Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:12 pm | |
| My 2008 is back firing more than usual , plug looks good. What are other causes ? Think the valves are out of sdjustment ? It seems to do it just whenever . ??? dirt |
|  | | bamajeepjunkie TCM Race Team

Joined: 2008-01-20 Posts: 1601 Age: 32 Location: moulton, alabama
 | Subject: Re: back fire problems KQ 450 Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:13 pm | |
| Is the gas fresh? It could be the valves. |
|  | | Bootlegger Admin

Joined: 2008-01-15 Posts: 9637 Age: 34 Location: Crossville,TN
 | Subject: Re: back fire problems KQ 450 Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:00 pm | |
| check the Valves on it.... _________________ Suzuki King Quad 750Bootlegger Performance TunedMSA Nuke Wheels, 27" Interco Reptiles, ODI Grips, Twin Air Filter 3000lb. Xtreme Winch, VDI, Dalton HAC Clutch kit, STI Springs CMG Custom Primary, HMF Swamp Series Exhaust, ASR Tie Rods Tamarack Rear Box, Engine Ice, BP Snorkels, Full Ricochet SkidsCumberland ATV Riders |
|  | | Dan Senior Member

Joined: 2008-08-24 Posts: 717 Age: 69 Location: On a hill, Clinton, TN
 | Subject: Re: back fire problems KQ 450 Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:36 pm | |
| Cracked exhaust coupled with rich mixture when engine brake is engaged. This happens fairly often on BFs. |
|  | | Bootlegger Admin

Joined: 2008-01-15 Posts: 9637 Age: 34 Location: Crossville,TN
 | Subject: Re: back fire problems KQ 450 Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:43 pm | |
| | Dan wrote: | | Cracked exhaust coupled with rich mixture when engine brake is engaged. This happens fairly often on BFs. |
his is a KQ...it don't have a brake like the Brutes have._________________ Suzuki King Quad 750Bootlegger Performance TunedMSA Nuke Wheels, 27" Interco Reptiles, ODI Grips, Twin Air Filter 3000lb. Xtreme Winch, VDI, Dalton HAC Clutch kit, STI Springs CMG Custom Primary, HMF Swamp Series Exhaust, ASR Tie Rods Tamarack Rear Box, Engine Ice, BP Snorkels, Full Ricochet SkidsCumberland ATV Riders |
|  | | Dan Senior Member

Joined: 2008-08-24 Posts: 717 Age: 69 Location: On a hill, Clinton, TN
 | Subject: Re: back fire problems KQ 450 Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:35 pm | |
| t doens't matter what the machine is. If an exhaust header is cracked and can suck in air, and if the fuel mixture hasn't burned in the cylinder, a back fire will probably happen. |
|  | | Bootlegger Admin

Joined: 2008-01-15 Posts: 9637 Age: 34 Location: Crossville,TN
 | Subject: Re: back fire problems KQ 450 Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:38 pm | |
| | Dan wrote: | | t doens't matter what the machine is. If an exhaust header is cracked and can suck in air, and if the fuel mixture hasn't burned in the cylinder, a back fire will probably happen. |
All I was saying was it don't have a engine break like the Brute has on it._________________ Suzuki King Quad 750Bootlegger Performance TunedMSA Nuke Wheels, 27" Interco Reptiles, ODI Grips, Twin Air Filter 3000lb. Xtreme Winch, VDI, Dalton HAC Clutch kit, STI Springs CMG Custom Primary, HMF Swamp Series Exhaust, ASR Tie Rods Tamarack Rear Box, Engine Ice, BP Snorkels, Full Ricochet SkidsCumberland ATV Riders |
|  | | darkstar CATVR Junkie

Joined: 2008-12-30 Posts: 2200 Location: Chattavegas
 | Subject: Re: back fire problems KQ 450 Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:27 am | |
| Cracked exhaust ? I looked everywhere i cant see or feel a crack . Crap how could that have happened.
How do i check the valves on that model or point me to a link where someone does it . Shoot i hope im not messin it up . It back fired 8 times in about 40 miles. I used to do valves on old VW's and older chevys but im cluless on the KQ but i need to learn and fast. |
|  | | pwm Admin

Joined: 2008-01-15 Posts: 8566 Age: 48 Location: Knoxville, TN
 | Subject: Re: back fire problems KQ 450 Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:10 pm | |
| These guys may have more info. Quad Crazy _________________ 2010 Ranger XP 800 PP Windshield F&B, Venom 5k, Kobalt Box, Backwoods Armor 2" Lift/Arched Forward A-Arms, ProArmor Doors, DJ Fab Heat Shield, KFI Front Hitch, UTV Tech Mud Guard & Grill Insert, Crow 4-point Harness, Hi Lift Jack, Pit Bull Rockers, SS108's, Garmin 76csx, IPOD 80GB w/Otter Box, ATV Trail Tunes Sounds, Dual Polaris Battery Setup, RELM 45w 2-way Radio, PWM Built Spare Tire/Gas Carrier, Diamond Back Top & Floor Mats, HID's, FlexSteel SeatsPWM's Pix   |
|  | | Bootlegger Admin

Joined: 2008-01-15 Posts: 9637 Age: 34 Location: Crossville,TN
 | Subject: Re: back fire problems KQ 450 Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:12 pm | |
| My 450 KQ did that as well...it did it worse when it was cold...I just now remembered...lol.  I called and they told me that is was the cold air....cause mine only done it when it was cold....but I adjusted the valves anyway....I have the specs if you need them. Not sure if it was really cold air but it stopped after the valves were correct. _________________ Suzuki King Quad 750Bootlegger Performance TunedMSA Nuke Wheels, 27" Interco Reptiles, ODI Grips, Twin Air Filter 3000lb. Xtreme Winch, VDI, Dalton HAC Clutch kit, STI Springs CMG Custom Primary, HMF Swamp Series Exhaust, ASR Tie Rods Tamarack Rear Box, Engine Ice, BP Snorkels, Full Ricochet SkidsCumberland ATV Riders
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|  | | Dan Senior Member

Joined: 2008-08-24 Posts: 717 Age: 69 Location: On a hill, Clinton, TN
 | Subject: Re: back fire problems KQ 450 Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:25 pm | |
| | Dirt Dobber wrote: | | Cracked exhaust ? I looked everywhere i cant see or feel a crack . |
The only sure way to detect a crack is to pressure check it. An easy way is to rev the engine with flow restraint on the end of the exhaust. Then feel for hot gases escaping from the header pipe. You can sometimes hear and see the gases blow out.
Just keep looking, you will find the cause. |
|  | | Smiley Admin

Joined: 2008-05-21 Posts: 5788 Age: 33 Location: Crossville, TN
 | Subject: Re: back fire problems KQ 450 Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:13 pm | |
| My Big Bear was back firing at times and losing throttle the last time I went to Brimstone and it end up being a combination of stale gas and some debris built up around the filters on the shut-off valve mounted to the tank....I don't know if the KQ's have a similar set up as far as the fuel shut off and all, but I drained my gas...pulled the valve off and cleaned the filters, put new gas in and mixed in some SeaFoam with it to flush anything that might have gotten into the carb and it has cleared up....I also changed the spark plug while I was at it because it had been a while since I put a new one in it. _________________ 1999 YAMAHA BIG BEAR 350, 4X4 Viper MX2500 Winch, 09 Stock Brute Force Wheels, 25" Maxxis BigHorn Tires, UNI Air Filter K&N Oil Filter, Handle Bar Brush Guards, JnJ Industries Aluminum Skid Plates, Kolpin Seat Cover Contico Storage Locker Rear Box, Savant Floor Boards, LED Tail Light, Smiley Custom Heel-Toe Shifter Midland GXT950 GMRS Radio, RAM Mounts, Midland AVP-H1 Helmet Set, Vega Summitt II Modular Helmet
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|  | | Rooster CATVR Junkie
Joined: 2008-03-21 Posts: 4294
 | Subject: Re: back fire problems KQ 450 Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:22 am | |
| Mr. Dobber, I know that you are on the NYROC site and we all know that the NYROC site is the King Quad Guru site. I found this post down there today and though it might help you. | NYROC wrote: | - Backfires.
A lot of owners have commented that every once in a while their stock King Quad might give out a loud backfire while decelerating. This is normal. The King Quad with it's EFI and many sensors is able to meter fuel for all operating conditions much more closely and accurately than a carburated motor. Suzuki has taken advantage of this on your behalf to run the motor close to a lean condition in order to maximise fuel economy. You will find yourself getting much better fuel milage on a King Quad than many similar sized but carburated ATV's.
The tradeoff is the odd bang. Nothing to worry about (unless you are hunting, I suppose |
Follow this link if you want to see it.
http://www.nyrocatv.com/techtip.cgi?viewcat=11&viewtopic=511 |
|  | | Moose CATVR Junkie

Joined: 2008-07-03 Posts: 2784 Age: 61 Location: Monticello,Ky
 | Subject: Re: back fire problems KQ 450 Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:08 am | |
| Is the spark arrester still in the end of the muffler?
If its has been removed that will cause it to backfire every now and again. |
|  | | Vamped450 Senior Member

Joined: 2009-05-26 Posts: 752 Age: 39 Location: Manchester, Tn.
 | Subject: Re: back fire problems KQ 450 Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:12 am | |
| I don't know how fresh your fuel is...but I do know that this gas that you get nowadays with ethanol in it will seperate in a very short time. That will cause one to backfire too. |
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