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PostSubject: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:38 pm

No rain in sight - did my training run at prentice running on 23 inch tall bighorn 2.0 s
Ran 10s wide all the way around mounted on ITPs .
Amazing change in the bike - stunning literaly
I seriously could not get this thing to even come up on its side goin around off camber turns at 37 mph.
And that wheel configuration changes everything about slopes and turns on hills .
I turned around right on a hill i am normally terrified just going up slowly .
Its crazy stable

What do yall think about this , it has wide tires in the front .
Since i have power steering that part is not an issue .
But i can seriously over steer .And i can clip a stump or tree easy as .

But the take off power in four wheel drive is amazing - hole shot city .
I really need aome advice becaue im running this machine so fast i could get killed .
Right now all i know is i would have had faster times on my race with this set up .
But is it over kill ?
Will i over steer and BONK.

What do you guys think , im racing next two weekends and trying not to get hurt,
Like i said i can cornor at 37 easy and its not to bad at 45 mph.
Whatever it is is its above my comfort level .

I can run umm or get a lesser width tire for the front , something 8 inches max .
Id think the smartes move would be to run a razor up front but then i cant afford to just test ummall out .
If i change it will be a maxis BH 23 by 8.

Another thing this set up did was cushion the heck out of all my landings and all my harsh ditch crossingd at high speed .
Please someone commemt .....
What are the bad propertities of running same wifer width all the way around ????
Dont forget i have Power steering and i am runnning 4 wheel drive 80 percent of the time.
Yep its always in 4 wheel drive ,,,,, you get so much take off like that .
But what do i know ? lol
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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:43 pm

Also those tires look way bigger than they are in that pic .
Here is another side view of the monster ....

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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:48 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:50 pm

Im not sure what to do , either i stay with this set up whauch is way better than my first race ,,, or i change the front tires to ???????????

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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:07 am

Just run it like it is. If it handles that well with you running PC, then you should be ok at the races.

Looks a lot like some other squatted renegade i ran drag races with( Jason).

Mine's more set up for trail riding( not lickety split racin thru the woods) So I don't actually know enough to tell you what you should do. I do know you can adjust the camber of the 650 and 800 outlanders( should be the same as the gade).

Though i dont know exactly how to do it, i hear it can be adjusted.

Call you sometime this week if i remember to.
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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:19 am

Oversteering can be caused by to much toe-in. Decrease the toe-in by ~1/8" and try it. If there is more oversteer than you want, decrease it more.
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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:20 am

Been looking at Checcos set up and several other guys who finish well
looks like they are running a razor in the front and a wide short hole shot in the back in some races
others they are racing about what I have but almost all are running a more narrow tire in the front
I wish I could get some advice from one who has done alot of utility racing but those Folks are pretty quiet when it comes to talking trade secrets
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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:41 pm

Were you running Big Horns before you put the wide tires on?
Can you turn the front wheels far enough to make a sharp turnaround or do they hit the rear of the fender when the shocks/springs are under stress ? I assume you arent worried about the extra stress they put on components sitting out that far. With power steering, you may have the biggest problem solved.
Dont all the monster trucks have very wide tires in the front? Smile Do some more testing like real sharp sudden turns to see how they react. If you dont have a problem, go for it!
When I put huge monster mudders on my 78 F250 raised with extra leaf springs all around, I had to cut the corners of my fenders off to keep them from hitting. But, with power steering, I had no trouble running them and it would go in over 3 feet of snow when nothing else was moving.
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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:29 am

All is clear - they grab very well .
Was on the phone with Jason from Iowa .
He runnin same thing but 12's in the rear .
I kind of want to go toward Checcos set up but i just cant figure out what it is .

Also i want Miller or cannon or somebody to build me an 840 and lets put a trask turbo onit .
With the dust around here you have just got to get the hole shot .

Im sitting on this brand newish 800 so we shouldnt have much unexpected cost .
Im running Morgantown this weekend and i recon if i can do well then ittl all be worth it .

The tires i did ok on were horrible compared to these .
Now -- i need to not get injured and race smart.

And i need to up grade the bike , pretty seriously .
And then take it one race at a time .
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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:05 am

you will get your holeshot more outta clutching it. If you want an 840 either Kenneth Miller From HCL racing or AMR...Mr. RPM makes good 840 but his 912's have a some issues you could say. You need to talk to Adam at Quad Shop Customs. Ask Haney what his adjustable kit will do....LOL

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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:29 pm

Boot they dont allow 912s anyhow .
Seriously are you suggesting i talk to Haney ? whats the LOL for ?
I was messin around with the tires alot - running the 23's by 10 wide all the way around seems to be the ticket for harescrambles untill i figure out what Checco is running .

I got food poison last night not good for this weekends race at all .
I actually passed out it was so bad .

Anyhow yeah i think i should do clutch work and ive got to do something with this dang woods intake - the airfilter is to low .
The fellow who helps me ran alot of harescrambles and won some to - he thinks ill be fine with a splash gaurd.
Im not so sure i dont care how it looks but i dont want it sucking water .
Most of the races dont have much over 1 foot deep but then you want to hit them creek crossings doing about 40 mph and that make alot of splash.

My lap times are up i beat Shad Martin in the third lap by 33 seconds .
woooo hoooo hes the #1 AMA champ so im really stoked with that lap.
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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:37 pm

the LOL is cause Haney got the Ajustable kit from QSC...from what all the racers say its the best kit out. I would say 90% of the Can-Am's have them if not more. You don't want the 912 anyway...they are having a lot of head issues outta them. You need the AMR 916... Twisted Evil YOu don't tell them they will never know....LOL!

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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:18 pm

I will admit haneys QSC is nice but its still not the CVtech primary..

Look at this.. its a stock outty on 30 backs.. You have more goodies than this does with all your RW parts..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyyPjyDKd-g&feature=related

CVtech can be bought from Adam at airdam..

Its on my wishlist.. Heck if you dont want one please buy me one.. lol

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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:49 pm

Guys they kinda dont check umm but if you were to win anything which is nearly impossible id say youd get checked .'So i think i have to rely on an 840 .
Howver the 2010 rule book says 850 is the number .
Im lost at the moment but Mr RPM is gonna hook me up.
Any more advice would be appreciated .

BTW you cannot runa renegade anywhere around here in any kind of class except sport .
Yeah Yeah ,,, believe me ive heard it all .
Anyhow U2 class does not exist .
Since the frames are the same for the renegade 2010 and the 2011 outty im a either changing plastic or B more liklely selliung the KQs and buying a OUTLANDER .
At least then i have a preatice bike and a racing bike however i would alternate .
'Kim is riding the renegade and loving it - its to powerful but she doing well .
Advice needed badly on the outlander ....
What size engine should i run ?
I think i got my clutch figured out but we have to wait and see .
Finally its down to what size tires and what shocks -.

Now if they keep the limited class which i hope they do i might stay limited but the talk is that its a gonner and comeon how much fun can i have then ?
Anyhow i have two truck to sale and 3 bikes and all that .

Also i run U2 this saterday on the gade .
We could proably get u2 class here if more gades would show but so far its nill .
So in order to run a full series next year i have to be on an outty - but the good thing is what engine will i run hahahah.
Oyall up in the air for me right now but after saterday ill know .
Ive heard u2 is the toughest almost of all the classes .
Its where the real power people go to play - renegades mostlly and V forces .
Supposedly it has some big name racers and since its the last round --- im prayying to just get any good placement .
Or i could save alot of money and just go trail riding - we wnet yesterday but but all my stuff was timed laps .
I cant say i really enjoyed the colurs.


One more thing where the heck do ya get a sound cheking device .
I have to be below 96db
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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:02 am

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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:20 am

I have one of those Shack decibel meters if you are interested. Like brand new with directions and case, How about thirty bucks?
I got it for checking my tractor etc since my hearing is going in one ear. Had to move the muffler horizontal from vertical etc. But I dont use it anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:21 am

Thanx Dan its out of stock .
What type of mechanic would have one of those handy ?


Sorry about the grammer in previous post i was trying to get to bed ina hurry.
Anyhow I found out today that there is a U2 class in the mid east series .
So im psyched , however i am missing the good ole trail riding days more and more .

Beasley the guy who wins alot of races trains just like i do .
I have my knarly pms signal mountain trails ....
He has a 12 mile track behind his house which he runs everyday all year long .
This is how well hes doing http://atvmagblog.com/2010/09/24/clifton-beasley-seeking-gncc-perfection/

And i tell ya maybe its not worth it .

You take your bike to the roughest trails you can find and ride it as hard as you can every day for two hours plus alittle .
Thats what i have been doing for a few months but since im older and all i have to take days off - this guy is so tuff they say he never misses a day .


Sound fun ???
It works
I might be back to good ole trail riding soon , depends on how the next race goes .
Ar least i placed in one of umm - maybe that was enough .


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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:23 am

Sure Bubba that sounds great , my head has been screaming from all the noise - im 9n ear plugs now but i still need a checker .
You got pay pal ?

Hit me up at jerryclimber@hotmail.com
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PostSubject: Re: Tire set up for racing hare scrambles .   Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:29 am

I PM'd you about it. Smile
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